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 justvisiting |
QAF review | ||
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Posts: 3973 (10/02/05 10:57:32) Administrator |
Picked this up from galedreamer. Thanks for the heads-up, gd.
QAF down under review: Sydney Morning Herald review Sounds like it only covers the beginning of season 5, which I believe is now airing in Australia. |
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abisel 1 |
Re: Robert Gant | ||
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Posts: 6 (10/02/05 14:14:25) |
Quote: I agree that it's the QAF curse! Calling him Grant is a pretty common error. I've seen it all over the place! I've also seen people call Gale, Gale Howard and they are forever spelling Harris Allan's last name wrong! (Allen) Re: Robert Gant Quote: I'm just curious ... Why do you think that's so funny? |
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BnJJ |
Re: QAF review | ||
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Posts: 2501 (10/02/05 15:52:59) |
This was also picked up from galedreamer. Pretty much sums up how I feel.
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bbrienze |
Re: Robert Gant | ||
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Posts: 256 (10/02/05 17:05:26) |
I think it's funny because after coming out about his sexuality he is still in the closet about his ethnicity.
Maybe not funny, maybe just sad. |
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bbrienze |
Re: QAF review | ||
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Posts: 256 (10/02/05 17:12:28) |
wow!
thanks galedreamer. too too true. |
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jnov |
Re:galedreamer review | ||
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Posts: 189 (10/03/05 07:49:56) |
Thanks, BnJJ and galedreamer for the review. And I so agree about the "emotionally satisfying ending" requirement. I also did not expect nor was unhappy that Brian and Justin cancelled the wedding. Brian married? Common on!
But the emotion that really hit me, and I mean HIT me, hard right in the heart as I watched Brian dancing at the end was loneliness and sadness. Not mine but Brian's. He looked so alone and sad dancing; not happy, not smug, not secure, just sad and alone. And it made the ending of the series so NOT emotionally staisfying.  |
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philflam |
Re: Robert Gant | ||
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Posts: 1917 (10/03/05 09:48:38) |
Quote: It's hardly unusual for an actor to change his/her name to make it more mainstream or easier to remember. Just ask Martin Sheen or Tom Cruise. |
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bbrienze |
Re: Robert Gant | ||
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Posts: 256 (10/03/05 22:32:01) |
Sure they do but when he made a big to do about coming out of the closet one might think he'd also stop feeding into the ethnic fences put up by Hollywood bigs and revert back.
I cant imagine the pain he's gone through, it cant have been easy for him and perhaps I am being too harsh. It just bothers me to battle one bias and keep feeding into another. |
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beforetherewasbj1 |
Re: Robert Gant | ||
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Posts: 115 (10/04/05 11:15:56) |
I do think you're being too harsh on the guy, bbrienze. It's not like he's made it a secret of what his real last name is. Anybody who cares enough to look will be able to see it so it's not like he's hiding anything. In fact, here's part of an interview he gave in what I'm guessing is a magazine called Catalina back in July/Aug 2004 about this:
Q: Why don't you go by "Gonzalez" instead of "Gant"? A: [Gant] probably did serve me early on. People just want to slot you into a cookie cutter slot. If my last name were Gonzalez, and they were looking for a Western guy or whatever, they would look and see something else. People are strange that way, especially in casting. I remember calling [my representatives] for Hispanic roles saying, "Oh my God, send me." They would say, "You've got to be kidding." And casting wouldn't give them the time of day about it because I wasn't dark. Q: Will you ever switch back to "Gonzalez"? A: I've been going back and forth with my manager, saying "I want to use my name." I was thinking of pulling a John Cougar Mellencamp. The problem is that so many people know me this way, that my manager thinks [Gonzalez] would be confusing. |
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bbrienze |
Re: Robert Gant | ||
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Posts: 256 (10/04/05 14:30:34) |
Yes I can see how I look as if I am being harsh, I think I probably am. Thanks very much for the interview.
I would like to talk to him about it because ottom line he and I dont seem to be that far apart. or he wouldnt be having a dialogue with his manager . I'm pleased to hear that he did. It's our shameful history but Hollywood has always typecast people according to their own biases. the same way they do with blacks , Hispanics/Latinos, Asians, women of a certain age, gays etc. I guess I feel that the only way to change things is as Robert himself says, to be part of the change. |
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abisel 1 |
Re: Robert Gant | ||
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Posts: 6 (10/04/05 20:33:38) |
Well, beforetherewasbj1 it's obvious to me and I'm sure to anyone who read her reply to my inquiry, that bbrienze didn't care to get her facts straight before she made her disparaging remarks about Robert (a man she obviously knows nothing about). And like you also said, Robert has never made it a secret that his last name is Gonzalez. Thanks for posting that quote from Catalina magazine. I thought it was a great interview.
Bbrienze, you say that you guess the only way to change things is as Robert himself says, be part of the change. I think I can safely say that Robert is already part of the change. He is an OUT actor in Hollywood. Something that he was told by a lot of people not to do. He is currently working on a website for the gay elderly. He supports SAGE, (Senior Action in a Gay Environment) and GLEH (Gay and Lesbian Elder Housing). He campaigned hard for Howard Dean and then for John Kerry, because he doesn't like the fact that the GLBT community has no voice in this country. He has spoken at events held by the HRC and GLAAD. So I would say that he is certainly doing his part. Are you? |
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justvisiting |
Re: Robert Gant | ||
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Posts: 3973 (10/05/05 06:10:01) Administrator |
abisel, you are being way too personal. You can discuss Robert's decision to change his name without attacking other posters.
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abisel 1 |
Re: Robert Gant | ||
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Posts: 6 (10/05/05 07:51:50) |
Feel free to delete my post.
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justvisiting |
Re: Robert Gant | ||
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Posts: 3973 (10/05/05 08:13:25) Administrator |
No need. The topic's of interest, obviously. Just stick to attacking opinions, not the people behind them, and we're fine.
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abisel 1 |
Re: Robert Gant | ||
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Posts: 6 (10/05/05 09:25:50) |
I agree that the subject is of interest and as long as she doesn't attack him again, we're fine. Robert was recently featured in the November issue of People en Espanol, (on newsstands now). He was also featured in their magazine in 2004. Below are just a few examples of Gonzalez, being mentioned as Robert's true last name. If anyone is interested in reading any of these articles in their entirety, you can find them on Robert Gant's official website in the Features section. The Windy City Times did an excellent interview with him!
~~~~~~~~~~ From the Windy City Times, 2004: The hunky 36-year-old Tampa-born Gant (surname Gonzalez), who is no stranger to television and motion pictures, has infused the intriguing character of Ben Bruckner with a thoughtful yet flawed awareness that many viewers find at once compelling and familiar. ~~ From OUT magazine, 2004: Born and raised in a blue-collar family in Tampa, Fla., Gant (real surname: Gonzalez) ~~ From the Pennsylvania Gazette: Today Gonzalez is better known as Robert Gant, and he has long graduated out of a-capella and into the dramatic role of Ben Bruckner on Showtimes hit series Queer as Folk. ~~ From the St. Petersburg Times in 2002. Gant was born Robert Gonzalez in Tampa. |
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bbrienze |
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Posts: 256 (10/05/05 15:58:30) |
You seemed to have taken this personally and turned this into a personal attack which I think is unseemly at best.
I've already said that I may sound too harsh but my standards are different than yours or perhaps Mr. Gant's. No one can be privvy to every bit of information about an actor or anyone else. Somtimes all one has to go by are all of their actions not what they say or do on similar issues of bias whether of sexual orientation or ethnicity. I have already said that the aricticle that was posted is informative for me to perhaps reconsider my original view . However this doesnt mean that I dont think he mightnot want to consider my concern--again, obviously he had the same concern I do or he wouldnt be having the dialogue with his manager. He has just made a different decision than I might have . Do not EVER assume that you know me or what I do to combat homophobia or any other kind of bias. I do not need nor should anyone else need to present to you their credentials in order to present an opinion. |
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bbrienze |
Re: Robert Gant | ||
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Posts: 256 (10/05/05 16:15:09) |
Hi justiviting.
thanks. I wrote my reply before I read yours or I'd not have replied myself as well. I think it's a great topic --it's not unlike that of *outing* and stirs up very strong emotions. I had a very interesting conversation with Peter Paige recently at the screening of Say Uncle, as he has always articulated, in fact eloquently so, very simlar views to mine . Had I been there eariler I'd have had the chance to chat with Robert who I was happy see was providing support for Peter's undertaking. so, do I dare express an opinion on *outing*:))) edited to correct spelling |
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BnJJ |
Re: Robert Gant | ||
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Posts: 2501 (10/05/05 20:10:42) |
Quote:No, we're fine as long as everyone follows the rules. No attacking other posters. |
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abisel 1 |
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Posts: 6 (10/06/05 04:30:31) |
You seemed to have taken this personally and turned this into a personal attack which I think is unseemly at best.
I have to laugh at you B. Your post about Robert was personal and unseemly. You may want to go back and read the post you also made about him making a big "to do" about coming out. Another unseemly, personal attack. What I would like to know is what was the big "to do" you are talking about? Robert came out at OUTFEST and the next day his coming out issue of the Advocate hit the newsstands. He was encouraged by fellow actor and friend, Peter Paige to come out that night and he took Peter's advise. His coming out was warmly received by the crowd. How is that a big to do? I've already said that I may sound too harsh but my standards are different than yours or perhaps Mr. Gant's. No one can be privvy to every bit of information about an actor or anyone else. Then why the attack? Did he do something to you personally to warrant your harsh words? You admit that you are not privy to every bit of information about him, so what gives you the right to make such assumptions about him? Somtimes all one has to go by are all of their actions not what they say or do on similar issues of bias whether of sexual orientation or ethnicity. I have already said that the aricticle that was posted is informative for me to perhaps reconsider my original view . Yes, EXACTLY! So again I have to ask... What actions of his made you post disparaging remarks about a man that you don't even know? However this doesnt mean that I dont think he mightnot want to consider my concern--again, obviously he had the same concern I do or he wouldnt be having the dialogue with his manager. And why would he want to consider your concern? Are you a long lost relative of his? What gives you the right to even consider asking him something that has absolutely nothing at all to do with you? You need to go to Hal Sparks myspace and read his latest blog. It's all about boundaries and how some fans think they have a right to cross them. You may find it interesting. Do not EVER assume that you know me or what I do to combat homophobia or any other kind of bias. I do not need nor should anyone else need to present to you their credentials in order to present an opinion. I don't need your credentials B. Or anyone else's. You said that we should be like Robert and be the change. I just posted how Robert was being the change. I added the Are you? at the end for one reason and one reason only.... How does it feel to have someone you have never met get in your personal space? Not very good I'm sure. And don't you dare for one moment think that you can say anything about someone who is a friend of mine and think that I won't defend them. Because in that regard, you are very much mistaken. Now if you would like to take this discussion off list, where it belongs, I would be more than happy to debate with you. You know my email. Feel free to write. And please don't for one-second think I'm gullible enough to believe that you didn't see justiviting post. You had every intention of trying to put me in my place and in that regard you failed miserably. I apologize to all the people here who had to read this. I just learned about this board and it was not my intent to start out like this. My intent was to share information and to see what others thought about the last episode of QAF. Not to debate with another poster who felt the need to attack a friend. If this post is not acceptable, please delete it. > Abisel |
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noxin |
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Posts: 4589 (10/06/05 07:26:51) Administrator |
Our Rule 1 expressly aims to stop anything like this 'conversation', wishfully before ever it begins. Continue it elsewhere if you must, but not here.
Added: this is it: Quote:All are in Announcements and Community Matters, at the head of the main page. |
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